AEM For 88-93 Fox?

[Dale McPeters]

Anybody on the list running an AEM on a foxbody 88-93? If so where did you purchase it from? Also are you running in speed-density or maf mode?

Any info appreciated.

Thanks,
Dale McPeters

[QWKSNKE]

I have heard it is suppose to be a nice setup but I haven't actually fooled with it

[Wall96cobra]

Seems like I've heard they were a pain to tune with and there wasn't much technical support for them. Try searching on turbomustangs.com there should be some info on them there.

[93Cobra#2771]

Couldn't be any less tech support for them vs. a tweecer...

[Dale McPeters]

Originally Posted by 93Cobra#2771

Couldn't be any less tech support for them vs. a tweecer...

Unfortunately this is a very true statement Richard...... .....
After all my years of support of the TwEECer & EEC-Tuner I have finally decided it is time to move on.....
I have found some base maps for the AEM to help with startup. I also found a writeup on turbomustangs.com. Very helpful info....
I also got an email from a guy that is running the FAST XFI system. May take a look at this also. Just need something before the first of next year.


Thanks guys,
Dale McPeters

[QWKSNKE]

Why are you switching Dale? Is just for a new challenge or do you think the AEM setup is better than tweecer?

[Dale McPeters]

Originally Posted by QWKSNKE

Why are you switching Dale?

One reason as stated above by Richard is the lack of Mike's input & software support lately on any of the different websites. The '05 release of software that has not happened yet and all of the unanswered emails that I have personnally sent to him about software issues. Another reason is I will not be limited by the Ford EEC's ability with rpm & injector size. I can also run in a speed density mode (kind of) if required.

Originally Posted by QWKSNKE

Is just for a new challenge or do you think the AEM setup is better than tweecer?

Yep I would definately like a new challenge. Also would like to get away from all the hoopla that goes on between SCT and other companies including Diablo & TwEECer. Not trying to say that one is better than the other as each have some very good features of their own. But you can not even make a simple post on the Corral and a few other websites anymore without other people wanting to start an argument about who's software/hardware is the best and fastest and who knows more about what, this is one of the reasons that I have went into lurk mode.... ...And one other reason is that half of the ones that start arguments do not even know how to disassemble a binary file to find the addresses that are needed to tune with...It used to be a fun hobby at one time but as my free time has been very very limited lately I just do not want to put up with the bull**** anymore.

Now on the subject of the AEM being a better system than the TwEECer or SCT for that matter, it all boiled down to the fact that I wanted CL fuel control at WOT. Either with a WB or EGT's and be able to run 96lb/hr injectors. I did not want to be limited on injector size if I needed to step up to larger ones. Also did not want to be limited in rpm potential as stated above. The Ford EEC in my '93gt that I am working on was not going to do what I need for my application. I really want a system that I can still use most of the stock sensors and not have to hack up my wiring harness. And so far the AEM is the only one that will do that to my feeble knowledge.

Boy that was a long winded post so back to lurk mode I go.....

[QWKSNKE]

Originally Posted by Dale McPeters

One reason as stated above by Richard is the lack of Mike's input & software support lately on any of the different websites. The '05 release of software that has not happened yet and all of the unanswered emails that I have personnally sent to him about software issues. Another reason is I will not be limited by the Ford EEC's ability with rpm & injector size. I can also run in a speed density mode (kind of) if required.



Yep I would definately like a new challenge. Also would like to get away from all the hoopla that goes on between SCT and other companies including Diablo & TwEECer. Not trying to say that one is better than the other as each have some very good features of their own. But you can not even make a simple post on the Corral and a few other websites anymore without other people wanting to start an argument about who's software/hardware is the best and fastest and who knows more about what, this is one of the reasons that I have went into lurk mode.... ...And one other reason is that half of the ones that start arguments do not even know how to disassemble a binary file to find the addresses that are needed to tune with...It used to be a fun hobby at one time but as my free time has been very very limited lately I just do not want to put up with the bull**** anymore.

Now on the subject of the AEM being a better system than the TwEECer or SCT for that matter, it all boiled down to the fact that I wanted CL fuel control at WOT. Either with a WB or EGT's and be able to run 96lb/hr injectors. I did not want to be limited on injector size if I needed to step up to larger ones. Also did not want to be limited in rpm potential as stated above. The Ford EEC in my '93gt that I am working on was not going to do what I need for my application. I really want a system that I can still use most of the stock sensors and not have to hack up my wiring harness. And so far the AEM is the only one that will do that to my feeble knowledge.

Boy that was a long winded post so back to lurk mode I go.....

yeah, I haven't been a corral or stangnet poster in a long time.

Pulling you out of lurk mode again ....

So, there is a point where the Ford EEC cannot do the job. Is this from a street drivability standpoint or max performance. Also, at what point is it borderline that the Ford EEC with any type of tuner is not enough?

Not asking these questions to start an argument. Asking purely for future knowledge.

[QWKSNKE]

By the way Dale,

What kind of car and what is your setup?

Then you can go back to lurking

[Dale McPeters]

Originally Posted by QWKSNKE

By the way Dale,

What kind of car and what is your setup?

Then you can go back to lurking

It is a '93gt with 408/418w stroker and twin turbo's. If I live long enough to get it finished that is.......

As Clint stated above one of the main limiting factors is rpm potential. This is when you get in to reclocking the EEC which can have some side effects as far as tuning. I finally found some of my notes on this from a few years ago when I had tried it before, I would not recommend it on anything other than a pure strip car that has to run in a certain class etc.. Also on the earlier style EEC-IV's you can run into problems when tuning for big injectors, just not enough adjustment IMHO. I had talked to Ben Frazier about this a while back as he is currently running 83lb/hr low impedence injectors on his car which is EEC-IV based like mine, he also is still running the TwEECer. Ben also thought that the 83lb/hr injectors were about the limit on these EEC-IV systems. And I did not want any limitations on tuning them in or going larger if needed, as I would like to drive it on the street now and then. Car shows, track etc. etc.
On the later model EEC-V's you have more parameters which gives a little finer tuning that can be done to make it streetable if desired with larger injectors. I have seen some of the later model '03-'04 Cobras run 96lb/hr low impedence injectors (with a low impedence injector driver box of course) in blown applications and still be somewhat streetable.....barely...of course the clock speed of the processor is a lot faster on these models also. I know that the '03 Mach 1 that I had did not have any problems turning higher than 7000rpm even with all the added load on the pcm from other things....

Since this is going to be the last "hotrod" type car that I plan to build (getting old you know). I wanted a computer system that would not be limited by much of anything that I wanted to throw at it and datalog just about anything that I want to. Also as stated before I wanted CL fuel control with WB or EGT and "IF" I need to go to 160lb/hr injectors later on and spin the motor to 8000rpm or better (not likely but you never know) I would not be limited by the EEC-IV computer etc......

Also like Clint stated the AEM systems are not cheap but do not cost much more than the later model PMS units. I think that I will be more than happy with it.

Besides I have as much tied up in TwEECer's & EEC-Tuners as the AEM is going to cost me......maybe I need to sell off a few of them to offset the cost. Might be a good idea.... .....Also may make the wife happy...

Now back to lurk mode I go......