Race Tire Compund Discussion (SPLIT TOPIC: My new Bling! DUW)

[Sendero]

Originally Posted by svopaul

Actually, normal street tires tread rating starts at 160 and goes up. Most Ultra High performance tires are going to be in the 160-260 range.

Here is the scale I base tires off of:

0-100 - Racing Tire
101-250 - Performance Tire
250+ - Street Tire

I certainly don't expect a tire with the treadwear rating of "performance" to last very long. Street tires, in my definition, are something you throw on a car to tool around town in and keep from breaking your bank account.

[Craig K.]

Now if I only knew how to split the topic of this thread....

[Italian LX]

Originally Posted by Craig K.

Now if I only knew how to split the topic of this thread....

Done.

[svopaul]

Originally Posted by Sendero

Here is the scale I base tires off of:

0-100 - Racing Tire
101-250 - Performance Tire
250+ - Street Tire

I certainly don't expect a tire with the treadwear rating of "performance" to last very long. Street tires, in my definition, are something you throw on a car to tool around town in and keep from breaking your bank account.

I disagree on the definition.....my discussion had zero to do with how long a tire lasts...that is based on treadwear and I too would not expect 50K miles from a "performance" tire. A Street tire by definition is a tire that meets DOT requirements for use on a public road....meaning that it will work well with standard weather issues such as rain and hot dry days....a tire to "throw on a car to tool around town in and keep from breaking your bank account" is something found at walmart as an off-brand or at a used tire store

As an example....I have a set of Yokohama AVS intermediates that have a treadwear rating of 160...they are a fantastic street tire but also do very well on a road course...even in bald form they make good low budget race tires...but the tread design is good enough for even a couple inches of snow.

[Sendero]

Originally Posted by svopaul

I disagree on the definition......

Well then we will have to agree to disagree. "Street tires" are not something you throw on the car and head down to the local road course. No matter how you interpret the definition you'll never here somebody say; "I've got to head to the house and throw on my street tires before we go to the track."

As far as the semantics of a "Street tire" being DOT approved, its just that, DOT approved. Nitto drag radials are DOT approved. Mickey Thompson drag radials are DOT approved. I consider these "racing" tires even though they are DOT approved for use on public roads. All of these have a treadwear rating below 160, too.

Hell, Kumho ECSTA V700 are DOT approved with a treadwear rating of 50? But I would NEVER consider that a street tire by any stretch of my imagination.

So if you want to call and DOT approved tire a street tire, then any that meets the DOT specs is a street tire no matter its treadwear. But you sure won't catch me calling Quicktime Pro's or Victoracers "street tires".

[Italian LX]

Originally Posted by svopaul

A Street tire by definition is a tire that meets DOT requirements for use on a public road....meaning that it will work well with standard weather issues such as rain and hot dry days....

So, you're saying that ET Streets and Quicktime Pros work well in rain?!?!?!

This all comes down to how you define a certain term. It's just like the never ending "Define what stock means" threads.

[svopaul]

Originally Posted by Italian LX

So, you're saying that ET Streets and Quicktime Pros work well in rain?!?!?!

This all comes down to how you define a certain term. It's just like the never ending "Define what stock means" threads.

I don't know about those but I do know for a fact that Nitto Drag Radials work pretty well in the rain.....solid rain on a 1000 mile trip from NJ to TN in sometimes extreme downpours....a Friends SVO never once lost traction....so yes, I would consider them "streetable"....though not technically a "street tire".

[svopaul]

Originally Posted by Sendero

Well then we will have to agree to disagree. "Street tires" are not something you throw on the car and head down to the local road course. No matter how you interpret the definition you'll never here somebody say; "I've got to head to the house and throw on my street tires before we go to the track."

As far as the semantics of a "Street tire" being DOT approved, its just that, DOT approved. Nitto drag radials are DOT approved. Mickey Thompson drag radials are DOT approved. I consider these "racing" tires even though they are DOT approved for use on public roads. All of these have a treadwear rating below 160, too.

Hell, Kumho ECSTA V700 are DOT approved with a treadwear rating of 50? But I would NEVER consider that a street tire by any stretch of my imagination.

So if you want to call and DOT approved tire a street tire, then any that meets the DOT specs is a street tire no matter its treadwear. But you sure won't catch me calling Quicktime Pro's or Victoracers "street tires".

I would agree with a treadwear UNDER 160 calling it a race tire....however you don't call Tire Rack and ask for a "Race tire" when you order a set of tires that have a 160-250 treadwear....do you?

My point has nothing to do with the drag tires or tires under 160 treadwear....I just think it's ridiculous to label a tire "not a street tire" just because the treadwear is under 250. Nobody in the industry uses "Race" "Performance" "street" as categories.....you have Race and you have street tires....Then you have subcategories of the TYPE of race or street tire based under those 2 headings.

Since I am in the business of tires I will use some factual backing for my arguement:

Here are the categories used....ALL...EVERY ONE is a "street" tire:
-Max Performance Summer (IE: BFG G Force T/A/ Kumho ECSTA MX)
-Ultra High Performance Summer (IE: BFG G Force T/A KDW/ Kumho ECSTA Supra 712)
-Ultra High Performance All Season (IE: BFG G Force T/A KDWS/ Kumho ECSTA ASX)
-High Performance Summer (IE: BFG Scorcher T/A/ Kumho ECSTA 711)
-High Performance All Season (IE: BFG Traction T/A H&V/ Bridgestone Potenza G009)
-Performance All Season (IE: BFG Radial T/A/ Dunlop GT Qualifier)
-Grand Touring (IE: Kumho ECSTA KH11/ Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce)
-Standard Touring (IE: BFG Touring T/A/ Goodyear Eagle GA)
-Passenger All Season (IE: Michelin MX4/ Goodyear Assurance Tripletred)
-Winter (IE: Bridgestone Blizzak/ Goodyear Eagle M&S EMT)
-Street Sport Truck Summer (IE: BFG G-Force KDW-2/ Pirelli PZero Rosso)
-Street Sport Truck All Season (IE: BFG Radial T/A/ Kumho ECSTA STX)
-Highway All Season (IE: BFG Radial Long Trail T/A/ Goodyear Wrangler AP)
-Off Road All Terrain (IE: BFG All Terrain T/A/ Goodyear Wrangler GS-A)
-Off Road Maximum Traction (IE: BFG Mud Terrain T/A/ Dunlop Raidal Mud Rover)
-Commercial Highway Rib (IE: Bridgestone 603V/ Michelin XPS Rib)
-Commercial Highway All Season (IE: Goodyear Wrangler HT/ Michelin LTX A/S)
-Commercial Traction (IE: Dunop Radial Rover R/T/ Goodyear Wrangler TD)
-Original Equipment (IE: Goodyear Eagle GS-A/ Bridgestone Turanza ER30)

The category for "race" tires is:
-Competition (IE: BFG G-Force T/A Drag Radial/ Kumho Victoracer V700)

[Italian LX]

Originally Posted by svopaul

I don't know about those but I do know for a fact that Nitto Drag Radials work pretty well in the rain.....

I know the 555R is a good wet-weather tire... I daily drove two sets back-to-back on the coupe for over 30,000 miles. However, I know that anybody that has had the unforunate circumstance to get caught in the rain with a set of DOT slicks will attest that they do not do well on wet roads.

Therefore, your statement about all DOT tires working well with standard weather issues is wrong.

[TheJeanyus]